Yes, I do wonder what their reaction would have been if I had not told them it was AI. Not that I would want to lie to them, but would they have the same reaction? It seems like a test that does need to be run...
But then again, even if they do like it, that does not necessarily signal we should use it as a first or last line of feedback. If they dont know the difference they can't be active and critical consumers of the information...
Fascinating read. Heartening to see educators figuring out how best to us AI in the classroom instead of ignoring this new technology. Wondering how Japanese and South Korean use AI since it seems there is a greater integration of tech into daily life there? Can we learn from them?
That is a good question! I know a developer in South Korea who is creating his own platform that leverages ChatGPT and giving it away for free. I may ask him next time we speak - thanks for your comment Kristin! Hope all is well!
I typed and sent it via our LMS - Blackbaud -- as a comment. I've experimented with Turnitin, placing comments directly on their Word or Google Document, putting sticky notes via Blackbaud, you name it.
I usually make a feedback key after I've graded my first five or so essays. Those comments end up being the basis of my feedback for the rest of the class - since mistakes are often similar - but then I type up more individualized ones as I go.
I'd love to learn more about this system. Have you written a post about it? Maybe we can/should connect.
Interesting post! Stupid question: How did you deliver your feedback? Did you type it on a learning management system so they can see it? (I reread the post, and I think I just missed that point.)
On another note, I'm actually an English teacher who loves grading. Years ago I adapted Michael Clay Thompon's "Opus 40" system and haven't written a comment from scratch in nearly ten years. These days I basically print out a spreadsheet and "tag" essays for mistakes that I observe. It's a fun way to generate qualitative feedback for my own curiosity.
First, the bot is trained to view writing as a five paragraph essay. Asking it to evaluate how well a writer produces a five paragraph essay is what it was born to do. Try asking your students to write an autobiographical incident essay or a speculative counterfactual essay—or a poem. AI will work as long as teaching writing means teaching a five paragraph (or 6 7 whatever) essay. If teachers become more ambitious, AI will not help as an evaluator. But it will be very useful to do certain tasks. Second, the difference between bot feedback and teacher feedback was categorical. If AI feedback is normalized it will reify current tradition essayist teaching and make it impossible to transform the writing classroom.
Wow. I read the entire thing. Fascinating. Wish I could put my MA thesis into one of these :) AND, I wonder if lit mags and contests used this to input their rubric they expect and weed out stuff?
That is a really good idea. It could definitely be used as a "first line of defense" for lit mags and other creative writing editors as they work through hundreds/thousands of submissions. Food for thought: After I got my Publisher Feedback on my novel manuscript from our Wilkes MA in Creative Writing, I ran my manuscript through ChatGPT and asked for feedback. The feedback matched what I got from the experienced human editor/publisher.
This mostly jibes with my own experience. My students find the AI feedback useful, but don't want that over a teacher's feedback at all.
Yes, I do wonder what their reaction would have been if I had not told them it was AI. Not that I would want to lie to them, but would they have the same reaction? It seems like a test that does need to be run...
But then again, even if they do like it, that does not necessarily signal we should use it as a first or last line of feedback. If they dont know the difference they can't be active and critical consumers of the information...
Exactly!
Fascinating read. Heartening to see educators figuring out how best to us AI in the classroom instead of ignoring this new technology. Wondering how Japanese and South Korean use AI since it seems there is a greater integration of tech into daily life there? Can we learn from them?
That is a good question! I know a developer in South Korea who is creating his own platform that leverages ChatGPT and giving it away for free. I may ask him next time we speak - thanks for your comment Kristin! Hope all is well!
No such thing as a stupid question!
I typed and sent it via our LMS - Blackbaud -- as a comment. I've experimented with Turnitin, placing comments directly on their Word or Google Document, putting sticky notes via Blackbaud, you name it.
I usually make a feedback key after I've graded my first five or so essays. Those comments end up being the basis of my feedback for the rest of the class - since mistakes are often similar - but then I type up more individualized ones as I go.
I'd love to learn more about this system. Have you written a post about it? Maybe we can/should connect.
Interesting post! Stupid question: How did you deliver your feedback? Did you type it on a learning management system so they can see it? (I reread the post, and I think I just missed that point.)
On another note, I'm actually an English teacher who loves grading. Years ago I adapted Michael Clay Thompon's "Opus 40" system and haven't written a comment from scratch in nearly ten years. These days I basically print out a spreadsheet and "tag" essays for mistakes that I observe. It's a fun way to generate qualitative feedback for my own curiosity.
First, the bot is trained to view writing as a five paragraph essay. Asking it to evaluate how well a writer produces a five paragraph essay is what it was born to do. Try asking your students to write an autobiographical incident essay or a speculative counterfactual essay—or a poem. AI will work as long as teaching writing means teaching a five paragraph (or 6 7 whatever) essay. If teachers become more ambitious, AI will not help as an evaluator. But it will be very useful to do certain tasks. Second, the difference between bot feedback and teacher feedback was categorical. If AI feedback is normalized it will reify current tradition essayist teaching and make it impossible to transform the writing classroom.
Wow. I read the entire thing. Fascinating. Wish I could put my MA thesis into one of these :) AND, I wonder if lit mags and contests used this to input their rubric they expect and weed out stuff?
That is a really good idea. It could definitely be used as a "first line of defense" for lit mags and other creative writing editors as they work through hundreds/thousands of submissions. Food for thought: After I got my Publisher Feedback on my novel manuscript from our Wilkes MA in Creative Writing, I ran my manuscript through ChatGPT and asked for feedback. The feedback matched what I got from the experienced human editor/publisher.
It's not everything, but it's something.